Lindsay: 0:07

Welcome to Cut the Noise. Wellness Simplified. This is episode number 35, and I am here with Ben and Lindsay.

Ben: 0:17

You're with Lindsay as well, I am. I am with myself. I think you might have just slightly just lost the plot there.

Lindsay: 0:23

No, you know, I need expert advice, so I talk to myself regularly. It's fine.

Ben: 0:26

Well, it is true, you need to speak to yourself a big amount.

Lindsay: 0:32

A big amount.

Ben: 0:32

Wow.

Lindsay: 0:34

We're struggling this morning, guys. So we are here to record this fabulous episode for you, and it's interesting because we try to record more than one episode on a weekly basis. But this time we said no because of last week's episode. And we wanted to be authentically talking about what happened over the weekend which was Ben's marathon. And thank goodness we did, because there was some differences of marathon plan, as we expect.

Ben: 1:05

Whoa, I know I think just I should have all of the reasons to be not functioning at my best capacity, but I'm feeling like you're struggling as well here.

Lindsay: 1:14

It's true, it's true, but I have been off for a few days and now like bringing my brain back in. It's been interesting, so anyways, we're back to talk about this weekend.

Ben: 1:24

So what are we talking about, like, what's the end goal here? Because I would just start by saying is I feel pretty flat personally, so I don't feel like my usual self.

Lindsay: 1:34

So I think today we're going to be talking about a couple of things, a couple of things and actually it sounds more negative than it is. But yes, ben and I have had an interesting experience over the last few days, ben being a lot more and he will tell you a little bit more about that story. But I think for us today we want to talk about kind of how to deal with adversity how to focus on areas when things don't go the way they are.

Lindsay: 2:02

And, lastly, I think, how to be okay with not always being okay. And this is going to be interesting for us because I think a lot of people regularly think that we are all unicorns and roses, which we try to be definitely half full kind of people, but it's okay to not be okay sometimes too.

Ben: 2:19

Yeah, sometimes shit happens that's beyond your control.

Lindsay: 2:23

Yeah, so if you haven't seen a Facebook post by Ben, you probably want to get the nice raw motions of that. But let's start with. The marathon was on Sunday, it is now Tuesday morning and it didn't go nearly as well as planned, so let's talk about it.

Ben: 2:40

Yeah, it really didn't.

Lindsay: 2:41

Yeah, it really didn't.

Ben: 2:45

Oh well, I mean, what is it? Two days later now, 48 hours, right, something like that and we're sat here and even now I feel better about it, in the sense of you know, it's two days to kind of process things. But if you haven't kind of been following along, I'll kind of give things, but if if you haven't kind of been following along, I'll kind of give you context. So I've been training for this marathon for well really primarily for 2024, if you will and things have gone incredibly well in training. I've probably been more consistent in many aspects than I ever have been before. Yeah, not being ill through this particular training block. So, in other words, it's been.

Ben: 3:27

The plan has literally been executed no injuries no illnesses no illness, everything has gone, gone well, or everything went really well. Um, my taper, which is kind of my recovery rest period, that takes two weeks, approximately two weeks before the race had gone. Well, I'd continue to run. I felt great. You know everything. Everything had lined up. Yeah, we went away for the weekend. Everything was lining up. Yeah, we went away.

Lindsay: 3:52

Yeah, we had a great experience there. And then marathon morning.

Ben: 3:56

Everything had been planned to perfection. Yep and race morning was great.

Lindsay: 4:04

Yeah, beautiful morning, great night's sleep.

Ben: 4:07

Everything was, everything was good. We headed over to the start of the race.

Lindsay: 4:14

Energy of the crowd was good yeah, never been to a race before. Energy is amazing in mexico super positive holy smokes, they really outdo themselves. They have like guys with massive guns shooting. They have jets flying over they. I mean it is incredible it's an event.

Ben: 4:30

It's an event. You know, I was stood in the corral, which is where you line up before the race, with a big crowd of people. Lindsey was at the edge, just kind of our final goodbyes, as it were. You know, getting ready for what was going to be. You know, a race that I planned executed. I knew exactly what was going to happen. I visualized this race. I had a plan for nutrition, which is super important through these long distance races. You know, my plan for the start of the race was good as well in terms of it's. It's pretty crowded, so you've just kind of let the race open up a little bit before you start to execute your strategy. You know the gun goes off.

Lindsay: 5:10

The cannon goes off.

Ben: 5:11

The cannon goes off. It was crazy too.

Lindsay: 5:13

Cannon goes off, everybody starts moving, usually pretty slowly because there's so many people. There was 2,500 people in the race.

Ben: 5:19

No, I think there's more than that. I actually don't know. I saw 2,500 numbers, so I don't know what that means, but a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of different races. So one of the big things actually, I'll say is that in the Aguas Calientes marathon is the marathon, the half marathon, the 10K and the 5K all go off together. So if you imagine, you're in this corral with a ton of people that are running different distance races At different paces, Different strategies, et cetera.

Ben: 5:45

So anyway, long story short is I cross the line, I start my watch and I'm very, very cognizant, just to be cool and calm and as everybody's kind of not even spaces out so much, but you kind of get a bit more freedom to move. I start moving and I'm starting to run. I'm by no means near my pace. It's a bit of a jostle, it's a bit tight still, so there's not a lot of space and literally within the first 50 meters, two guys in front of me kind of bump and stumble and I see them kind of almost falling, or at least looking to fall, as they kind of try and catch themselves. And as I'm coming up I have to step around them, bearing in mind there's not a lot of space. And as I step, just as I step, one of the moves and all of a sudden, before I can do anything, I see these metal studs on the road, which are the calming studs. So you typically find them in parking lots or on exits, where they want to slow you down.

Lindsay: 6:47

It's like a calming device it's kind of like a speed bump by a small, but it's like a circular metal and they have them in lines.

Ben: 6:55

It's raised and these ones were pretty, pretty raised and I don't have any time to react. In actual fact, to be fair, I didn't see them until it was happening. Right, that's kind of I didn't even know what was happening until I was trying to save myself from from from falling, but what I ended up doing is I ended up turning my ankle right over, so it rolled over completely. Um, searing pain, um, a popping noise, um, I managed to save myself and there's just this wave of pain and heat and kind of nausea. I think I'm not really sure it just all happened so quickly and like, oh my God, I can't believe this has happened.

Ben: 7:37

And as after it started, not even minutes, I mean, god, 50 meters is you know seconds, know seconds, I would say. And I'm like just panicked in terms of like, what does this mean? What is happening? You can imagine the noise turning up in my mind in terms of, like this plan and all of a sudden, 50 meters. I mean it's disbelief, yes, absolute disbelief. And I think to myself, oh my god, like what am I going to do? And my initial reaction is that's it, it's done.

Ben: 8:06

But obviously, while I'm thinking that I'm also moving forward as well, I'm just hoping that the pain subsides, I'm hoping my adrenaline kicks in, I'm hoping that it's one of those things that you can run off. Sometimes you do, sometimes you can twist it, sometimes you can take a little twist and run it off, and I'm just like, okay, determined, I'm just going to try, I'm just going to see what happens, I'm just going to take it the next kilometer and just see if I can run it off. And then you know just so much chatter, so much noise going on in my head that I'm just like all over the place, basically. Just like all over the place. Basically, I'm like trying everything I possibly can to try and make decisions, but not knowing answers and feeling kind of panicked and feeling out of control and just any plan that I had, now it's just been thrown out of the window. It's kind of like that mike tyson saying is everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face yeah, so until you have, everyone has a plan.

Ben: 8:59

Until you get punched in the face or have this.

Lindsay: 9:04

So when I saw him at four kilometers, which was the first time I would see him after the start line- about 20 minutes about 20 minutes in um I'm checking my time and one of the things that we had kind of discussed was not to get, you know, caught up in all the excitement people tend to go too quickly especially you're dealing with people who are doing the 5k race, who are going out fast and the 10K and whatever. So when?

Lindsay: 9:25

I first saw him I was like yelling slow down, because he had come a little bit faster than what I was anticipating what he had told me.

Ben: 9:33

Actually not much, though when I look at my timing it was fine.

Lindsay: 9:35

Not much, but a little bit and again 4K and I was like almost joking, being like slow down you're going too fast kind of thing, and Like slow down, you're going too fast, kind of thing. And I have my camera on trying to watch him and record him and I hear him say something I make an emotion with my oh yes. You kind of cut your neck off. Yeah, like, as in, like you can't see, but he's cutting his neck off, being like no, no, it's over.

Lindsay: 9:57

It's over and then he says you know, I tore.

Ben: 10:00

I said I think I've torn my ankle ligaments or I've got a spray in my ankle in a crowd there's a big crowd, there's a lot of Spanish talking, there's a lot of English talking, there's a lot of things.

Lindsay: 10:10

So I just I can't even understand exactly what he said, but yet he kept running, and so I had to have that conversation with myself. I went back and listened to the video that I sent and I was like, no, okay, he did say that, but he didn't stop. So I didn't know exactly what was going on.

Ben: 10:23

So a lot of noise is going on in my head at this point and I think in hindsight I'm just in denial at this point.

Lindsay: 10:29

I was going to say I feel like, like I'm just, there's a hope.

Ben: 10:31

I'm hoping I'm in denial, I'm hoping I can't believe it. And even after 4K, which is 20 minutes, it's just so much chatter going. It was uncomfortable but it wasn't like ridiculous. Right, it wasn't ridiculous, but adrenaline is pumping hard. Adrenaline is pumping hard.

Ben: 10:49

But as soon as I left Lindsay, at that particular point I start to feel like this wetness in my ankle is the only way to describe it and this heat, it's the swelling happening. But I'm thinking I'm still going to be able to go on. So I don't want to stop and just take a good look at it, because I don't want to kind of break my rhythm, because I'm number one, I might not be able to get started again. Number two, I'm, I'm just confused, I'm out of control at this point and I'm trying to just wish myself forward. I guess Then I don't see Lindsay again for another 6k.

Ben: 11:22

At that point I know it's 6k and and I'm, I'm leaving, I'm like, okay, I'm in this, I've just got to get on with it. Like, maybe I can get through this, maybe it's going to be okay, hopeful, hopeful, positive, positive, hopeful, positive, right, and and maybe that continues for maybe about 2k, and I think it's about the 6k mark. The course moves around this a bit of rough road, and by rough road I don't mean potholes, but like I just don't mean smooth asphalt. So now my foot placement is just super unstable. I can feel how unstable it is. There's a few turns in the course where I'm turning corners and those corners, when you turn, there's a twisting motion that goes into your ankle and I'm just.

Lindsay: 11:58

I'm just and he's running still. So like this isn't just like a walk or a jog, like he's running I'm still running at my pace that I planned which is kind of ridiculous in hindsight, but, but, um, but I'm still starting to accept the fact that it's done.

Ben: 12:16

Yeah, but in actual fact there's part of me that's also turning around. I've not really told you this at six, seven K, just being like I don't know how long it's going to take me to hobble to Lindsay, right, so I might just run to her, endure the discomfort just to get there quicker, and then pull myself off the course. Because the reality is, if I don't show up and you're expecting me, then all of a sudden what's going to happen? Right?

Lindsay: 12:38

And I mean you can imagine in your head how much is happening, like the positive, the negative, the angry, the frustration, the no. This can happen. No, I don't want to do this, and I'm only. I'm thinking this too because, as I said, I had seen him and he said that he had hurt himself. So I was like what is happening?

Ben: 12:57

it was 48 minutes but it went by so quickly and I won't even turn around and say it went by slowly, just it went back so so quickly. But so much happened in that time in my head, like from the outside, when you saw me, when I pulled myself off the course, you said to me how did I look?

Lindsay: 13:11

Yeah, you looked like you hadn't been running at all.

Ben: 13:14

At all.

Lindsay: 13:14

Like. So from a fitness perspective, he looked like he was like just gearing up. But I also when I saw him, I was hobbling. He was hobbling because again, it was not. I mean 10 kilometers in for anybody who doesn't?

Ben: 13:38

realize and can do the math, he still had a long way to go well, it's another 32 kilometers and it was getting worse and worse and worse, and that was the thing, for I just knew that it wasn't going to be achievable and also I just didn't want to have any long-term damage. I didn't want to be in a situation where I caught, made it worse, like significantly, and I can tell you.

Lindsay: 14:14

I have walked a marathon in my ironman days and even if you are feeling pretty good when you walk and you're hobbling and your hips and your back and your feet, there's just so many negatives to that that it just wasn't worth going out for six or seven hours walking.

Ben: 14:31

It just didn't matter, it didn't matter enough. I'm just not going to do that.

Lindsay: 14:34

No, it's not going to happen, so, so it gets pulled off. We take a shoe off and then, within like a second, of him sitting down, the, the um first day, the first day, guys are there on his bike and checking him out and doing these things and obviously at this point we already know it's over, he's not.

Lindsay: 14:48

He's not getting back on. He's not even the thought of putting his shoe back on at that point, because his ankle was literally the size of a bowling ball. There was just nothing to be done, and so we started slowly walking is that what it was? Yeah, we started slowly walking towards home, back to to the hotel.

Ben: 15:06

Psychologically, as soon as I made that decision, I was at peace with the decision. I was at peace with the decision to pull myself off the course, but I knew that there was going to be the processing of a ton of other feelings that were going to come after that.

Lindsay: 15:18

Right, and this is kind of the importance of. I mean, obviously so many people have asked us about what happened and so, if you wanted to listen, this is the story step by step. But this is the piece where it gets really complicated, because on one hand.

Lindsay: 15:30

You know he's saying to me and I'm saying to him you know it's good, you know you don't want to hurt yourself long term, you want to be in a good place, trying to be, you know, positive. But it's also okay to be so disappointed and frustrated and what ifs and, and I think it's important to understand that sometimes it's okay to be not okay.

Ben: 15:51

I think though I mean you tell me, but I feel like I was okay with it, yeah, yeah, I feel like I was okay with it because ultimately, it really wasn't a decision in the end right, it wasn't a decision you had to make.

Lindsay: 16:07

It was that your body?

Ben: 16:09

it was just that's just what had to happen. Like it, just what had to happen, and therefore the decision to pull myself off the course was was easy in the end. And then I think that in some respects it's like I couldn't hold on to the disappointment of not accomplishing my goal, because it just was no longer an option right, it wasn't, even it wasn't even there.

Ben: 16:31

So you know, I put so much training in and so much preparation, so much work. I mean I'm currently in the shape of my life, apart from a bummed ankle right which, which probably means that I could hop really quickly maybe not even half, maybe one leg at half but it was like one of those things that you just dealt this blow that the only option is to accept it.

Ben: 16:49

So I just had to come to peace with that idea as quickly as possible and just be like that's gone, that's done right. And you know, it just reminded me all I was thinking about and I've talked about it afterwards with people. It's just like this idea of your ability to rebound after disappointment or failure, like that's me now coaching myself, saying, well, there's no point holding on to something that I no longer can attain or that's no longer within my control. I just have to let it go right. And I feel like I was able to let it go really quickly right and I think too, you know being.

Lindsay: 17:21

We didn't make it back to the hotel without being an uber I have to tell you that because it was not easy for him to walk and it was getting bigger and bigger the swelling and the bruising etc. We got back to the hotel, I put an order in to get, you know, painkillers and ice packs, and I mean you're in a hotel, so you're actually out of your environment as well, and you know the rest was really good and I think the attitude over that day was actually very, very good, considering what had happened well, it's like what's the plan like for me now?

Ben: 17:51

it just had to totally change in terms of it didn't matter what I thought was going to happen, what I thought I was going to do on that particular day, what I planned to do, it's like that all kind of got pushed off the table and it was like, okay, well, I got a different goal now, I think right and and then it went from that one goal to a different goal and it becomes about rehab it does, and you know like we always talk about breaking things down.

Ben: 18:13

For me at first it was like holy shit, this is. I've been through this before and, to give you background, like I've, I've been active all of my life, so I've injured myself, I've broken things, I've torn ligaments, I've. I've done all of the things not not recently really and um, so I know what's involved and it's a fucking lot of hard work and I'm sorry to swear, but it really is like anybody who knows we have understands that it's a lot overwhelming and, as you all know, I also know that you know that I use running as a tool for my mental health.

Ben: 18:46

Um, so now I'm kind of shit scared that like how the hell am I going to manage that through this process as well? Right, so not only like how am I going to manage my well-being, because running is not just about physical, it's a mental thing. So I'm worried about that and I also look at the size of this task, which is is probably going to be eight weeks before I can even start to think about probably walking normally, not even running. I don't even know when I'm going to run again.

Lindsay: 19:13

Right. So I mean, as you can imagine for those of you who have listened to Ben or have known him for a long periods of time um, that's a scary. It's a scary place, it's overwhelming.

Ben: 19:23

I mean, that's how I felt in that moment. But then again, you know, like we say this shit often enough, like we have to live by our own rules, and the rules of the game are simply it is overwhelming if I think about the next eight weeks. So I think about I've got to get an ice pack on my ankle and I've got to get my foot elevated and I've just got to accept the fact that over the next few days I'm going to have to figure things out. Over the next few days I'm going to have to figure things out, but all I can do right now is ice my ankle, elevate it and basically keep off my foot as much as I possibly can.

Lindsay: 19:53

Yeah, and just, and you know, obviously, as coaches and people, that you know we've worked with people for years and years and years. It is hard to coach yourself. It's bullshit.

Ben: 20:02

It's really hard. It's bullshit, because you know what. What I want to turn around and be like is poor me. It's really hard. Expulsion, because you know what. What I want to turn around and be like is poor me. Yeah. Pity party yeah, Accept all the sympathy that comes my way. Basically blame Anybody and anything, Whoever for those metal studs on the road and the guys that fell over, yeah, but ultimately that serves no purpose.

Ben: 20:22

No, it's gone, it's in the past, it's done so, like, but that's what I want to do. Like I Lindsay last night, asked me something, I was like, do you understand that? That's not my problem here. My problem is that I'm not going to be able to do all of the things that I love doing, right. My problem is I don't even know if I'm ever going to be able just like in terms of like my ankle, but I'm hurting in terms of my freaking heart, my mind, and I'm just kind of scared. Yeah.

Lindsay: 20:52

And so we really wanted to record this video, this audio, for you, because I think it's important to understand that it happens, and not only does it happen, and one of the things I said at the beginning of this podcast was that it's okay to not be okay, and so for anybody listening, being like whoa, that doesn't sound like Ben at all. He's usually yeah, exactly.

Ben: 21:14

Because it happens. I feel super flat is how I feel when I actually think about it, because there's a lot of things and I'm not even on about running now. For example, I take the girls to school every day, I drive them. I can school every day. I drive them. I can't drive at the moment.

Ben: 21:24

It's my right foot like, and I literally have got no, no control over my ankle and and, frankly, do I really want to be driving with the kids in the car when I don't have that control? And the answer is is no. But there's so many things that have this realization that just purely standing up is difficult, right? So there's so many things that I take for granted, beyond the running, that are now affected by this, and you know I just it's a lot, it is a lot. Happen is all of these feelings like the goal isn't to stop them, because you're always going to feel them, but the goal is to try and manage them and the goal is to try and kind of shorten the period of that.

Ben: 22:13

I'm not even going to call it a pity party. It's a natural response to being basically kicked in the. You fill in the blanks, like, and then just having to pick yourself back up and say, well, it's just the way it is, this is what has been served to me, and I'm the only thing I can control is my response, and I'm constantly going back to that same conversation with myself. It's like um, I didn't just have it once. I'm having that conversation every time. I allow myself to be like this sucks, this sucks. I wish I could have changed that I wish I knew those studs were coming. I wish I I knew, I wish I should have been more.

Lindsay: 22:47

Whatever that outcome, is, and everybody's been there, right. I mean not in necessarily the exact same place that Ben's in right now, but we've all been in a place where we've had these moments and I think it's really, really important to understand that it is very normal and it is, you know and nobody. You know and nobody. I mean I would never turn around to Ben and say you shouldn't feel this way or you shouldn't because nobody can tell you how you feel or how you respond or any of those things. But the big piece of advice that Ben's, that he's struggling with which, to be fair, is very normal as well is trying to find what that new normal looks like, but also trying to be okay with not being okay, telling yourself it's okay to feel that way, but also knowing that you don't live there and you can't stay there.

Ben: 23:26

It, telling yourself it's okay to feel that way, but also knowing that you don't live there and you can't stay there. It's like I don't have a plan. But I kind of do have a plan now in terms of I need to rehab. So it's rest and recovery and rehab and then rebound, right Like that's what I keep saying. But who knows what that's going to look like? But in the absence of knowing really what things are going to look like from a physical perspective over the next two months, I also know that I just need to put my leg up and rest and recover as much as I can, which is going to be really, really difficult, and I don't know what that's going to look like. So I'm going to have to lean into the discomfort of making that happen, because, ultimately, the more I rest and recuperate in this first week to 10 days, the quicker I'm going to rebound 100%.

Lindsay: 24:07

and even you know, when you're in the feelings of the fields that he's feeling, like he was saying today to me he's like, oh, I'm going to do some, some chest work and I'm going to do some work, I'm going to lie down on the floor and I'm like, no, I, you have big recovery happening right now in your ankle and there's nothing to take away. You shouldn't be that now. Does that mean he's not going to be doing anything? No, you know, leaning into your food, which you can control right now, leaning into any mobility that he's going to be able to do, not yet, but when he can, and so I think that's the other thing that this is going to be a big lesson for us, for him, for everybody listening is that when something like this happens, when shit happens, when something like this happens, when shit happens, when things kind of don't go your way, there are ways to lean into other areas, and I think the food is the big.

Ben: 24:50

Yeah, you have to pivot. You have to pivot and I think it's super easy to turn around and say woe is me, I'm stuck, this sucks, why me? It always happens to me. That's the end. What's the point? I might as well not be fit anymore.

Lindsay: 25:06

End what's the point? I might as well not be fit anymore, I might as well not do anything anymore, I might as well give it all up flowing out of his brain right now, because that's happening, they're not flowing.

Ben: 25:11

They're present. I mean, the reality is like you know, it would be so much easier to sit on my ass and do nothing because I'm in this pity party. Like lindsey said, there's a ton of stuff that I can do. First of all is rest and recuperate, and do it in a way that allows me to. You know, I'm still working. I had a client turn around and said are we still, are we still training? Are we still working? I'm like it's an ankle. It's not like I've broken my brain, right, my brain still works they just love an argument.

Ben: 25:36

They do, but ironically enough, a client that same client actually stepped out of a shop or an office I can't remember which about two weeks ago and basically twisted his ankle.

Lindsay: 25:46

Right.

Ben: 25:46

And he sent me a photo and I pretty much said to him that sucks, but it doesn't change anything. Right, it doesn't change anything. And that's how I am. It's like it sucks, but it doesn't change anything. I just have to pivot. And the same with him. It was like, okay, well, we just sit down for a while, that's fine, or we just see how it goes, but let's not throw the towel in. And honestly, that's the difference, the adversity in overcoming. It's the difference.

Ben: 26:09

And I've worked with and Lindsay's worked with enough people. We have two types of people that we work with. Unfortunately, when this happens, we have the people that are like this is just another obstacle, I'm going to push through, I'm just going to get on with it, I'm going to pivot and I'm going to make this work. And unfortunately, we do have a lot of clients that turn around and say, well, I can't stand up because my ankle's hurting, so I'm just going to basically stop for three months until it's better. In actual fact, you should lean into it more, because Lindsay and I don't just do strength work.

Ben: 26:40

We've done so much rehab work. I've worked with clients on rehabbing and knees and ankles after surgery, shoulders I mean. There's pretty much nothing that we haven't worked on. So we pivot into a more of a rehab strengthening phase so that we don't break that routine. And that's what I've got to do. I got to continue working out just now. It doesn't involve that portion, but I can still do strength work. I'll be able to do mobility and strengthening work in my ankle at some point upper body work, like there's so much that can still be done.

Ben: 27:12

Food food is a big one, sleep right, recovery I mean, I was gonna need to recover anyway after this marathon yeah, I mean, and that's the thing.

Lindsay: 27:20

So today technically is a day off for ben, because he took monday, tuesday off after the marathon. Anyways, whether it went the way he wanted to or not and you know, today, being back, he's like should I be working?

Ben: 27:30

and I'm like no it is a day off just take the day off now.

Lindsay: 27:33

Part of this is recovery, part of this is mentally trying to keep his mind off of things. But I think the big thing to remember is that, no matter what, you can pivot, you can change, you can make, make choices, but you do also have to rest and, as I said, there'll be times where I'll be like no, you can't do that, you have to go to bed.

Ben: 27:48

Just don't, just don't quit on yourself. Yeah, and like I said before, so many people see this adversity as like I'm just gonna give up, there's no point. This is the reason you want to lean in even more, oh, even more. Right, because I mean, ultimately, at the end of the day, right, you've got to get over this and you might as well lean into it than basically just wave the flag. Right, because waving the flag, you're not going to do the things you need to do to be able to recover and rebound. I just need to be as committed to flexibility, range of motion, mobility and strength. Work around my ankle Actually, I'll say ankles, because everyone can come along for the ride as well.

Lindsay: 28:23

I'm probably going to do holes because the other one can come along for the ride as well, not that that was the issue, but you can never do enough of that type of work anyway, to kind of make yourself a bit more bulletproof right and I think the thing to keep in mind here is that the amount of energy and effort that ben was putting into his running and his breath work and his flexibility, we just change that and we move it towards his food and his mobility of his ankle and his rehabilitation, and I think that's the biggest lesson. I mean I feel like this has been a pretty, pretty um it's bullshit compared to our normal.

Lindsay: 28:54

But I think, if you can take anything away which was, even in this case, we always want you to take something away is that when this shit does happen, which it will, which it will again, which it will, again and again it's finding a way to pivot, to change it up and to keep moving forward.

Ben: 29:08

I always kind of think of it like this. I'm thinking of it like this Now, it's kind of like when life throws you a curveball right, you're like, okay, this is how it's going to be. Hey, well, you're not going to knock me down, I'm going to lean into it and I'm going to become stronger as a result of this experience. Versus you know, like I say, you kind of fold your hand and say, well, this is a sign it's not meant to be. It's actually, this is a sign it is meant to be.

Lindsay: 29:31

Right, this is what. This is what my focus is moving forward, and you know we'll keep you updated as as it goes along and and uh, you know, hopefully there'll be some, some great news moving along with what's going on with his ankle. But I think the big thing to keep in mind is that even though right now there's no running going on, it doesn't mean that there never will be, and we don't know.

Ben: 29:50

I think it comes down to the fact that, as you try and get healthier, as you try and get fitter, as you try and improve your eating and as you try and improve all of those kind of health and wellness things that we talk about, is understanding that life is always going to happen through that process. So if you're sat there, or ever find yourself sat there saying and I hear this a lot, so this isn't me just saying this I hear, if only I had three to six months where life just cooperated, I'd be able to achieve X or Y. You like X and Ys, right? Yeah, I do like it Right. So like I'll be able to lose weight or get fit or healthy or dedicate myself to my food and whatever it's like. You need to learn to get healthy and fit when all the shit's happening around you, right, because that's when you actually learn to do it. You don't learn to do it when there's a period of plain sailing.

Lindsay: 30:35

You have to learn to do it with the chaos within, within the chaos, because that's when, when, when it is smooth sailing and there will be times where it is then it it feels so much easier. But when you only do it in the smooth, and then the chaos hits, which it will.

Ben: 30:48

You will drop it so quickly, so quickly. So I think that's the big thing that I'm kind of telling myself right now and keep reminding myself is I've got to lean in, I've got to accept it, I've got to do the work, the hard work, even though I'm not choosing to do it, I need to do it, I want to do it, but I also need to do it and to not quit, to actually lean in and turn it up and say okay, I'll show you. Yeah, I can do this, I can do this. And in the meantime I'll just sob quietly to myself in the corner every now and again.

Lindsay: 31:19

It's still okay to not be okay in that sense. But, guys, another week, not kind of the podcast we were hoping to have to talk about this week, but I'm glad we were able to wait and have this conversation. And again, I mean, life is full of lessons all the time. We take them, we leave them, but the goal here is to just remember that you just pivot and keep going.

Ben: 31:39

Totally, and you always have to look at the silver lining. So I don't remember exactly when it happened, but it happened pretty quickly.

Lindsay: 31:45

After this whole disaster happened, lindsay turned around to me and said in her loving manner she said well, this probably makes for better content on the podcast next week. Anyway, I did have a conversation about the podcast.

Ben: 31:59

It was like maybe seven minutes after I'd finished and I hadn't processed anything.

Lindsay: 32:06

She's like great content, ben, great content. Shut up, but, guys, until next week. We will be here again next week talking about something else. Hopefully, we will give you lots of updates about how this goes. Because I think again, it is another learning, for Ben, for me, for everybody listening to know that.

Ben: 32:20

you know that this is going to take time, but each moment moving forward even if it is a little bit of a hobble at the moment because he has a bowling ball around his ankle um will become a learning for all of us.

Lindsay: 32:36

I would prefer this lesson be somebody else's, I understand that, but today it is you. So until next week, guys, have a fantastic week and we'll speak to you soon yes, we will thank you bye.