Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome back to Cut the Noise. Wellness Simplified. I am Lindsay Hack and I'm here with Ben.

Speaker 2: 0:13

Okay, surprise, surprise, we are both here. What episode did you say?

Speaker 1: 0:17

We are episode 26, which is amazing. I'm super super excited to talk today because we got so much feedback on this topic after our podcast a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1: 0:30

The podcast on stress right yeah, Specifically we talked about the podcast on stress, which I believe was 24. And we got a lot of questions about something that Ben and I both talked about and I just I really wanted to go into more detail with this. Now, I am not the expert, so I'm going to be the one asking the questions, but the reason this came up was because we were talking about meditation in the stress world. Right, how to bring your cortisol levels down.

Speaker 2: 0:56

If you haven't listened to 24, go back and listen to it but one of the things that was brought up was that, if maybe, meditation is not your thing.

Speaker 1: 1:04

Breathwork might be something that you're interested in, in trying at least.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Yeah, for sure. I mean certainly. If you haven't tried it, how do you know, right?

Speaker 1: 1:15

And so you know we had said in our conversation that you know, breathwork was one of those things that if you don't know, if you haven't tried it and I kind of shared my story of that you know, I knew Ben was doing breathwork. I believe what he was doing was amazing, but I never really tried it myself.

Speaker 2: 1:34

And even though I was like yeah, it sounds amazing.

Speaker 1: 1:37

It was just not something that I kind of really encountered in my life until I had a moment where I needed it, and it was, it was there. So what I wanted to do today was I had a moment where I needed it and it was there.

Speaker 1: 1:46

So, what I wanted to do today was I wanted to ask Ben some questions about his journey with breathwork, how he became certified and why it's something that he chose over doing more mainstream meditation, which is you're sitting, you're doing your pause, etc. Where he actually thinks and feels and works with this idea of breath work is his meditation. So I'm not going to say anymore, cause that's that's his story to tell.

Speaker 1: 2:13

But that's what this episode is all about. We had lots of people reach out, lots of questions asked for Ben about how do you get started, what do you do, and so we wanted to cover that in today's episode yeah, I was.

Speaker 2: 2:24

I mean, I wasn't surprised, I guess that people reached out, but I actually got, like you say, a lot of questions directed to me about oh, breathwork, talk to me about it, what is it? And, um, I mean that's super positive because there's a curiosity there. Um, but yeah, I mean I don't know what questions do you have for me? Where do I start? This is a subject that I could go on about and there's a, there's a ton of reasons for that, and I'm sure Lindsay's questions will cover that, but it's actually been a game changer for me oh, a hundred percent, and, as I said in my kind of humhodery, as I call it not really being that.

Speaker 1: 2:56

You know that, impacted by a person like you know, I tried it. It didn't work. You know that mentality, uh, it has actually been a game changer for me as well, and so that's why I think it is something that is super, super valuable. And actually I was just after the podcast on number 24, I shared it with one of my clients who really struggles with meditation. She always says you know the voice and the slow and she's from the you know the area of life where you just go go go, go go, and it really, really, really frustrated her.

Speaker 1: 3:24

So I introduced breathwork to her, thinking well, this might be an option, um, and minus the fact she didn't love the background music, but that's okay, we can talk about that as well. Uh, I really wanted to bring this up for people who are maybe curious, maybe interested, or maybe want to just try and see what it's all about. So, ben, are you ready?

Speaker 2: 3:42

I am right.

Speaker 1: 3:44

So let's talk a little bit about how you even got introduced to breathwork, because I feel like it is something that's come a little bit more what I would classify as quote unquote mainstream in the last year or two. But I know that it's been around for a long time and when you got involved it was definitely well before the whole you know trend of breathwork.

Speaker 2: 4:02

I'm even not sure that I would classify breathwork as being mainstream. Right now, I feel like you and I feel like it's mainstream because this is the spot that we kind of sit in when it comes to health and wellness. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, maybe everybody listening is probably better at answering that, because they're like what the hell is this breathwork piece?

Speaker 1: 4:20

Yeah, I've never heard of this before, but for me, I mean it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 4:23

It's kind of started from the fact that you know I often talk about breath work like we would have talked about yoga maybe 15 to 20 years ago. So yoga to 15 to 20 years ago was very fringe, right. It was kind of like this Eastern modality of health, that kind of fringe types were involved with right, and then Lulule lemon released their yoga pants and everyone got into yoga. Now yoga is like when somebody says, oh, I do yoga, we don't really think too much about it, right, it's kind of just part of our everyday sort of a form of movement mobility exercise. It's really an important longevity skill. Is that flexibility? I? I feel like and again I might be wrong I feel like breathwork is kind of in that same spot. You know, like Gemma, if you listened to our podcast last week, you know I take a morning wellness shot that's got ginger and it's got a whole ton of different things turmeric. She calls it my hippie shot, right. So I don't know like, maybe I am getting more alternative, but I just think I'm open to more options and Breathwork's an interesting onespace and Calm, which are actually really cool, really incredible.

Speaker 2: 5:51

And I started to get into meditation a lot, and you know, trying to deal with stress because I was working in a of sales targets et cetera, et cetera business building, geography building, region building, like with big teams with big sales targets. So I was trying to manage my stress and I got exposed to Headspace. You're a calm girl. I'm more of a Headspace boy, to be honest with you. I never really got into calm like you did, but Headspace was my thing. Andy, he's an English guy and he's got this very English accent and you either love him or hate him. I actually quite liked the meditation, but I always found for me it just never truly. I'm not going to say it didn't work. It just took more effort than I was willing to put out by myself.

Speaker 1: 6:40

I think for you it wasn't into your body enough.

Speaker 2: 6:43

Right and anybody who's done any meditation.

Speaker 2: 6:45

Of course it's deep inhales, deep exhales, so there is an aspect of breath work in it, but it's not into the body as much I always kind of and this isn't necessarily like um law, as it were but I always feel like meditation is passive, right, you're sat there and you go within yourself and you go through that whole meditation process. One of the things I love about breath work is how active it is, because you are actually controlling your your breath. So how I got into it is slowly a couple of different ways. I started to become really curious about um ice baths and I started to become really curious, and a lot of this for me is about performance. Right, it's my body's performance. It's also recovery tools, as you know, do a lot of running, a lot of ultra running, a lot of altitude, altitude work in terms of climbing mountains, and I was looking for like a slight edge. I'm always looking for a slight edge.

Speaker 1: 7:44

That's what we constantly talk about.

Speaker 2: 7:45

I'm also looking to learn from experiences where things don't go well. So I originally started to look at cold water therapy and ice baths and I got into following this guy. He's like the godfather of ice baths. It's a guy called Wim Hof he's actually more mainstream these days, but he's this polish guy. He's polish, or is he german? He's polish, I think and he is like the godfather ice baths and controlling your state through breath work. So if you think about breath work, it controls your autonomic nervous system. We talked about our nervous system last week with stress, or two episodes ago with regards to stress. So here you've got this tool that actually can control your nervous system. So if you think about it from a very basic level, it's shifting between your sympathetic your flight or fight your high stress to your parasympathetic, which is your chill, your rest your digest right chill, your rest, your digest right.

Speaker 2: 8:44

So you've got the ability to change your state from. I'm hyper energetic, hyper wired, I'm trying to go to sleep. Okay, breath work's gonna allow me to calm my system, my nervous system, down and prepare my body. Excuse me for sleep. Or like, when I wake up with my clients at ridiculous o'clock in the morning and all I wanna do is go back to bed, I have to basically give myself an energy shot. Coffee comes later, but first I do a breath work. That's all about taking me into that sympathetic system yeah, into like. So you've got this ability to kind of like, um, hack your own system.

Speaker 1: 9:18

I don't like that word. I do like dialing it up and dialing it down, depending on where you are in your state.

Speaker 2: 9:23

So how I got into it is I had a horrific experience on a mountain and I started to really learn about how you can not only physically prepare in terms of preparing fitness and strength for climbing and running, but you can also control and build and develop your um, your basically your lungs, your respiratory system, and that was of great curiosity to me in terms of, like, how do I breathe at altitude in a way that's going to basically maximize my oxygen in an environment that is not necessarily full of oxygen?

Speaker 1: 9:56

and for those you don't know, ben is very, very much about those things, the small things, the one%, and he's really big into the numbers and understanding the science and geeking out on a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2: 10:08

Right. So this is the guy that's climbed a mountain with a nose tape on right One of those nose expanders to see if it gave me a slight edge. I mean, we'll talk about it more, but I've also ran with tape over my mouth so that I've restricted my oxygen flow to my nose, which basically mimics altitude. So I'm pretty like I'll try that.

Speaker 2: 10:29

Yeah, honestly, and the way that I look at it is that he kind of went into a lot of these things and I'll try anything to get a little bit better, and because of the mountain climb that he had, the altitude really kicked his ass.

Speaker 1: 10:42

And so now, of course, everything is about how can I make sure that that doesn't happen again?

Speaker 2: 10:46

Right. So breathwork, there's two elements to it and somebody's going to hate this if they know anything about breathwork but there's like a physiological aspect to it. That's how I kind of opened that door Right. And there's also a spiritual aspect to it, absolutely, which is the opposite side to that. So you'll often see this breathwork retreat, you'll see this in terms of spiritual practices and you'll see this in terms of that particular area. I got into this very much from the physiological slight edge 1%. How can I cope with being on a mountain? That's how I got into it, because I wanted my performance level to be maxed out right. I'm always looking to basically hit my potential and that's how the door opened for me, right.

Speaker 1: 11:28

And then I then I jumped right in all the way right well, and I think the thing with with breath work and for those of you who don't climb mountains and aren't looking for the one percent and aren't necessarily looking for the slight edge, there are so many benefits to breath work in general right?

Speaker 2: 11:44

so I'll talk about some of the reasons why I was interested in it and then we'll kind of say, well, hang on a second. How does that then apply to everyday people, right? So one of the things about the the value adds, the benefits of breath work, depending on what type of breath work you do is it's an increase in oxygen intake and circulation, right, right, right, that's great from a health and wellness perspective. You can actually affect that. You can affect the oxygen levels in your blood by breathing in certain patterns that allow you to effectively flood your body circulatory system, your, your blood, with oxygen. That's number one. Releases tension in body and mind. Well, hang on a second.

Speaker 2: 12:25

We're not just talking about stress. Basically two, two episodes ago, so there's very much that piece. It's. It's about stress management. That is a key, key piece. So that increase in oxygen intake and circulation is is big thing, right, you're changing your state, release tension in body and mind. We talked about that. It's a huge one. Lows heart rate and blood pressure. So I mean, if you're stressed and you can basically lower that heart rate into a calm state, reducing blood pressure through breath work, again, you can kind of take a really wired position where you're highly stressed and you can self-manage yourself through breathwork down, which to me was, you know, a huge, huge benefit Improving focus and mental clarity that one.

Speaker 2: 13:16

I'll tell my story in a bit, but that one is massive, it's huge. I mean you can totally change your state right, like I can be waking up very, very early, as an example, and you know, totally cloudy, foggy. Just having woken up and within a matter of minutes I can be like right there with a client giving them my full attention. So that's, that's definitely definitely huge. Well, you know, reducing stress, hormones like cortisol what I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 13:39

Did we not just talk about this, like two episodes ago exactly?

Speaker 2: 13:40

so it's very active right, you're talking about Did we not just talk about this, like two episodes ago, exactly? So it's very active, right, you're engaged in this process. So that's a key piece, right, enhancing mood because there's an endorphin release. Right, there's this process in breath work where there's breathing rhythms. You can breathe fast, you can breathe slow, you can do what are called breath holds, where you hold your breath. You can hold your breath with full lungs or you can hold with empty lungs, right, so you can change the mix of oxygen in your respiratory system or carbon dioxide, so you can change depending on what you're actually looking to accomplish. So that endorphin release is like it's a high, you actually get a high On a quick side note Don't, you, can't, you can't.

Speaker 1: 14:19

I am on a quick side note to that. I quick side note don't you, can't, you can't. I am on a quick side note that I want you guys to know that if somebody has gone out there and tried a breath work and it was something that was maybe a little bit too extreme for them, like they were holding for minutes and two minutes and stuff, just know that you like anything, you work and build up to said things right, exactly right.

Speaker 2: 14:36

So there's a progress to it, right, and there's also experience and you've you know, you've got some self-management to go in there as well, because I mean, holding your own breath is is not normal, but it's amazing, right. So we've got those sorts of things. Boost immune function so you actually have an improvement in your immune function as a result of a practice of breath work. That could be a daily practice and multiple day practice or some form of progression, so that's huge. Promotes better sleep quality.

Speaker 1: 15:07

Episode 20, was it.

Speaker 2: 15:09

Exactly Episode 24 as well stress. So if you're sleeping better, right, you're resting and recovering better, there's a knock-on effect in terms of actually recovery, which is a management tool for stress. So you've got that aspect of it as well. A big thing is it provides a natural tool for emotional regulation, right, if you're hyper, like you can go into a breath work could be box breathing, right when you're able to re-control your nervous system. You're able to get on top of that autonomic nervous system, which is huge. So that's key. And then you know it just brings your awareness back to your own body and that mindfulness right, bring yourself back to your body, because then you are aware of what's going on.

Speaker 2: 15:55

For you where, sometimes when anxiety hits or stress hits, you are so far away from the moment at hand that that's why we go so far out of that 100% and that's a tool, right, it's a tool that you can utilize, that I utilize, to control state, it's a utilize to control performance, it's to control my nervous system, it's to prepare for sleep, it's to prepare to be energized and actually, you know, be the opposite in terms of really kind of up the ante in terms of turning my nervous system on. So, you know, a lot of times when people hear breathwork when I've spoken to people about breathwork that aren't necessarily familiar with it, you know it's often like well, I've been breathing all my life, I know how to breathe, and I think the thing with that is that we know how to run as well, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we run with good form.

Speaker 2: 16:50

Just because we've done something doesn't necessarily mean that we were an expert. We breathe subconsciously. If we don't think about breathing, we still breathe. Breathing is one of those things that's actually pretty cool, because there's a lot of functions that go on in the body that we have no control over. Like if I sit here now and say, ok, heart, stop beating, it's not going to work, right. If I could say, ok, stop digesting my food, it's not going to happen. But breath work, and breathing is one of those things that's cool that if you don't think about it, you do it, and if you do think about it, you take control of it. And now you've got a tool that allows you to basically ramp it up or calm it down.

Speaker 1: 17:30

So I don't know if you can tell I like this subject, a little excited about it. But here's, here's what I think you know. If somebody said to me I need something I can do in three to ten minutes, I mean I know there's longer, but three- to 10 minutes that will completely change pieces of how I feel, how I act, how I think. What do you suggest?

Speaker 1: 17:53

And you know I'm saying this is really what I would classify the closest thing that you'll ever get to, kind of a magic pill, because if you can get this and you can do this, um, I think breathwork could could change people's lives well, there's no doubt it does change people's lives and it can.

Speaker 2: 18:12

You know, when you think about a lot of what we turn around and talk about, um, we talk about like, okay, let's, let's start to look at our food and let's start to work on nutrition, and then we also follow that up with. It's not going to happen overnight, guys. Right, you're going to have to put effort into this over the long run weeks, months to see any changes. All right, let's look at exercise. Same right, you're going to start exercising. Well, one workout is not going to do anything for you. It's going to take consistency over time.

Speaker 2: 18:44

And then you look at breath work as an example of like this, this health solutions. You can actually. You can actually do it in two or three minutes. You can change your state. Now, of course, you have to practice and you have to get better and you need to get used to it a little bit. But this is a different type of practice, like breath work and um, different modalities, like so, different practices, different lengths, some can be short, some can be. I mean, I've done a 90 to two hour breath work and I was like it was intense and it was insane and it was incredible and it was like uh, an emotional in terms of like just just getting inside of your body that much. There was periods of time where I felt like I was actually floating off the ground. Right, I remember you saying that, right, it was insane. But, like, we're also breath holding, multiple breath holds like 10, 15 breath holds of minute, minute and a half, and then recovery breath.

Speaker 1: 19:33

So we're not saying start there.

Speaker 2: 19:34

That's the great thing about this, though you can kind of take that or leave it right.

Speaker 1: 19:37

If you said I'm only ever going to basically do breath work for less than five minutes, massive change, yeah, and I think you know I'm just going to intervene here with my little story if you didn't hear it from my podcast a few weeks ago. You know I have been supportive of Ben always and I'm like, yeah, that's great, do that.

Speaker 2: 19:52

And then he's like, oh, you should do something.

Speaker 1: 19:53

I'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and and honestly, that's not because I was dismissive of it, but it was like you know, I do my meditation, I do my journaling, I do the things. I don't need to add anything else. And it was. I was in Canada and we were supposed to be doing our retreat that day and I woke up with a killer headache and I it was like my SOS to Ben and I was like I know what am I gonna do?

Speaker 1: 20:15

you have told me that breathwork can change my head. If I'm, if I'm killing me, send me something right now. And you know, it was that moment where he sent me the breath work and it was, I think, 15 minutes. But at that time I would have done anything because our retreat was about to start and I had to be on the best of my, my ability. And I did the breath work. And was it perfect? No, could I hold all the holds?

Speaker 1: 20:38

no, but I did everything I could to follow it and my headache was gone.

Speaker 2: 20:43

Right.

Speaker 1: 20:44

And so now as a believer, because I actually gave it a shot and I tried, it out. I now know what I actually said to Ben the other day. I don't get headaches very often, guys. I don't have migraines, stuff like that. The other day I had a headache and I was like, send me that, send me that breath work again. Now I do now do breathwork on a daily basis, but that was the first time in a long time that I needed it for my head, for my headache.

Speaker 2: 21:06

And again within 15 minutes I walked out and I was like, yeah, I feel good and you made a point earlier on that I was like I'm just going to come back to you, turn around and said that you'd shared something with a client and they didn't like the background music. I mean, for me that's kind of like. I look at that and I'm like, um, the nice thing about breathwork is, um, you can get everything from. Okay, breathe in, breathe out, so like it's literally just the direction breathe in, breathe out, so they'll run you through a particular protocol. That's as minimalist as you need to get. Some people do like basically music in the background. And if you're trying to hype yourself up, you know, for me, sometimes I listen to breathwork with electronic music in the background. And if you are trying to hype yourself up, you know, for me, sometimes I listen to breathwork with electronic music in the background, which is a real pickup for me.

Speaker 1: 21:47

That I did the other day, I think.

Speaker 2: 21:48

I came out and I was like oh my gosh that was like me being in a spin class.

Speaker 1: 21:51

It was like come on, you got it breathe and I was like, okay, a little too extreme for me, but again everybody depends on what you're trying to accomplish, and that's the thing I I like about it.

Speaker 2: 22:03

This isn't a competition between breath work and meditation. Meditation is an amazing tool and it's a tool that works. I mean, there's just, the tool works incredibly, like beyond belief. You can achieve things through meditation, if you get good at it, that are mind-blowing.

Speaker 1: 22:20

I also think there's different times for that as well.

Speaker 2: 22:22

I feel like breathwork's more accessible. Well, breathwork works in anywhere, and some people will be like oh, you know, I can't just sit in the middle of a plane and meditate.

Speaker 1: 22:30

if I have a fear of flying? Well, of course you can, that's possible. Have a fear of flying? Well, of course you can, that's possible. But with breath work, without having to do much of anything, you could take two minutes, take a few really focused breaths and get yourself through almost anything well, we've we've coached.

Speaker 2: 22:46

I mean, if you listen to the last one and jemma was part of that podcast I use the word coaching. Let's maybe maybe not use that. We've spoken to jemma and maddie, our daughters, about breath work and when's situations with anxiety. There's very much a technique called box breathing and it's actually taught within the armed services, within the armed services around the world, as a way to control state. Imagine you're in a flight or fight situation and you need to calm yourself down. The way you can do that is through breathwork. You're not meditating in a high environment. You're controlling your breathing, like if you recently watched the olympics.

Speaker 2: 23:20

You look at the archers, you look at a soccer player taking a penalty in a world cup final. You look at these big moments in nfl or whatever spot it is. You know I'm telling you that this breath work is part of the protocol that's now used to control state by athletes in game and you can't see it. It's not like they're waving their hands saying I'm breathing like this. They're there controlling their breath. You see them and that's the same as you could be going into a meeting and you're really on edge. You can breathe right. You can find that you're super stressed as a result of something that's the same as you could be going into a meeting and you're really on edge. You can breathe, right. You can find that you're super stressed as a result of something that's happened with the kids. You can control your state. You can bring yourself up, you can bring yourself down. That's why I love it.

Speaker 1: 24:04

It's powerful and it's it's immediate right and and it's super simple and we never say easy, but it's super simple to do anywhere and to do anything again, as beth, and there has been times where you've had to take a deep inhale, deep deep exhale. So most people have done some way of breath work in their life, because if you are hyperventilating and you're like, that is in essence what we're doing with breath work, but the idea behind it now is finding that, that kind of flow.

Speaker 1: 24:33

And so you know the breath work I do. In the morning I do a five minute breath work that goes to music and it's just super calming, but it also helps invigorate me and I love it.

Speaker 2: 24:42

Then there's also the breath work that you know, has from a headache perspective or anxiety, or some people use breath work to go to sleep, and so there are multiple ways to use it activation, the opposite of activation.

Speaker 2: 24:52

I mean there's literally breathwork approaches for different states, different goals, objectives. You know a ton of these resources are available on YouTube. You can literally put in breathwork to calm down and you'll find something relevant. You know there's apps I already mentioned like there's the app called Wim Hof, which is great. I also have used one out of Canada called, called uh other ship, which is really cool. I mean we can put some links in in the show notes to some of these for you to take a look at. And also it's something that I do as well.

Speaker 1: 25:24

I work with one of my questions was you did get certified in doing breath work and I guess my question is why? Why did you do?

Speaker 2: 25:33

it. As always, I'm looking to learn and understand and I think, possibly because I'm skeptical by nature, and I need to understand how something works. You know, you can tell me something and I'll take it on board and I won't dismiss it, but I do need to understand the curiosity needs to understand how it works, the how. Curiosity needs to understand how it works, the how, and for me, starting out, it was very much around the science of how can I control my state at high altitude, how can I flood my body with oxygen in an oxygen poor environment so that I can get that extra edge in terms of performance. So for me it's like seeking to understand. But you know, seeking to understand was my first step into it. And then, all of a sudden, pandora's box kind of blew open and all of a sudden I started to realize that this was, you know, so versatile when it comes to health and wellness, and it's one of those things that you don't need to be certified to be able to do it. You need to be able to follow instruction right. And all of a sudden you've got this tool that can control state, so incredibly powerful, and then also I wanted to become an expert in it. I didn't want to be like, oh, I've done some breath work and it was great, and so on and so forth, and can it be a pseudo specialist?

Speaker 2: 26:52

I actually wanted to make sure that my understanding of how to achieve certain states and what to do was grounded in science, and and also that that I had a full picture versus just the things that I'd picked up, which was the reason I looked to do it, and it's also one of those things that you know, I, I am personally curious about and I'm still still learning, personally curious about and I'm still still learning. And also, I think it's a tool that works hugely with with clients, right, it also works with. You know you, it works with the kids, right, maddie's done some breath work as well, right, so we're in this. For me, it's one of those things. It's like super useful, super, super useful, and um, that's why and it's curiosity, and also, you know, I like to know what I'm talking about. I do not like to talk about things in detail that I don't have expertise in, right.

Speaker 1: 27:47

Right. Well, if anybody's seen Facebook in the last I don't know when you were listening to this last week or so uh, we announced our retreat that we're hosting here in san miguel, um in mexico, in december and, one of the amazing things on top of a thousand things, we're hiking, we're doing all these things, but ben's actually going to take us through, uh, two separate breathwork um seminars sessions workshops, you know that kind of thing and it's just.

Speaker 1: 28:13

It's super exciting to be able to share that with other people, especially when you know if you come for the retreat, for example you're coming to, you know, learn to do hard things and transform and all that stuff, but the breathwork piece of it we're also doing some yoga and, as I said, the hiking.

Speaker 1: 28:28

But the breathwork piece. I'm so excited because it is an opportunity for for ben to be able to teach other people and I've had the benefit of it and now I you know his clients have they've asked and we've worked with them and we're building and now we're just creating this.

Speaker 2: 28:41

You know, army of breath workers who love, love, love doing the breath work totally, and I think you know one of the things I love about it as well is like the messaging to uh clients and just to people are looking to get healthy and fitter and more active and just improve their general wellness is always like be patient, be consistent, play the long game right. You're in this for the long game. This is a lifestyle change. This is going to take time. Don't expect overnight success. That's kind of our messaging.

Speaker 1: 29:12

So to be able to give something to somebody that's like this can change you in the next five minutes, right, you don't have to wait 12 to 18 months, like we say all the time.

Speaker 2: 29:20

This happens right now and we talked episode 24, stress specifically right, which was very much stress is like one of the things that we have to overcome in terms of improving our health and wellness, managing our stress, stress. So here we've got. One of the biggest challenges getting healthy and well and so on is stress, and one of the quickest solutions to it is a media.

Speaker 1: 29:43

We're giving it to you on a silver platter, right. So it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 29:46

So I mean, certainly reach out.

Speaker 1: 29:48

You know I've got a ton of resources that I'd be happy to share and certainly we need to do more, and I'm going to interrupt here for a second because I think we've told you the story a few times, where I've been talking about doing a podcast forever and ben was a little bit reluctant and now, 26 sessions in, we're loving it. I have also mentioned to ben a few times about doing breath work, meditation because, let's be honest, his accent's pretty awesome and doing some videos and getting it up on youtube, and so I'm putting it out there. Last week we put we put gem on the spot that said like she's going to do malinche and kick ass and take names. I'm going to put it out there now that I believe youtube where we can do some breath work and do some actual classes and learning some videos and, as I said, I really want some meditation because I love the voice, but that's meditation.

Speaker 2: 30:35

You say oh, you mean breath, I mean both I want both. I don't know about meditation. Well, we'll discuss that later, but I'm putting are we going to discuss it, or am I just going to be told but that's what's going to happen?

Speaker 1: 30:44

because I want it, so it's going to be fine.

Speaker 2: 30:47

I begrudge being put on the spot like we did to Pooja Jemma last week, but I do think for me it's something that I would do and something that I think is so powerful. And you know, we talk a lot about a lot of things that we really believe in and we really believe in those things. That's why we bring them into this conversation. But I'll tell you, when it comes to breathwork, I would say that I think it's, without doubt, the one thing that I've picked up over the last 15 years. I would say that has absolutely blown my mind in terms of how it has changed my ability to affect my own state.

Speaker 1: 31:25

Yeah, which, if you think about that, that's insane, right, and it's kind of like what we're just saying. You know, if it took you, you know, as I say, 21 days to build a habit, 60 days to, you know, install that habit we're saying five minutes, two minutes, 10 minutes like this will make a difference in the very first time you do it. So I really hope that when we bring this, you know, to the episode and you listen to it and you're like, oh, I'm a little bit more curious, maybe you reach out to Ben, ask him for some of the resources, maybe ask you to have a session doing some things, so that you can take advantage of how this feels, because I don't think and I know because I said it, I don't think you'll truly appreciate it until you have a moment, like I did with my headache that day. It's interesting.

Speaker 2: 32:08

It's changed everything. It's interesting you use the word feel right, like it is one of those things that you feel, so you can actually feel the change Instantly, instantly, instantly, right. You don't feel the improved fitness. No, it takes many, many, many months to feel like, oh, my body's better, you can take it and you know you think about it like this If you kind of sat there being like, well, you know, I don't know if it'll work.

Speaker 2: 32:42

You know if work, you know if you start to hyperventilate right now and you start to breathe really quickly, you'll find yourself get wired and like edgy right, hyperventilation gets you edgy. What's that? It's prasmatics, right breathing into the bag. The idea is slowing it down. Why is it slowing it down? It's basically bringing that system, that nervous system, down going back to lamaze breathing.

Speaker 1: 32:54

For anybody who's ever gone through that process, you know the breath was what we were told to do. When we're in the midst of a contraction, breath does so many things yeah, so many things, so let's call it let's, let's do it, guys again, as always. Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. Please, please, reach out if you have questions. Uh, as you can see from the episode, Ben is very passionate and loves to speak.

Speaker 2: 33:20

I am.

Speaker 1: 33:20

And actually to be fair, because I am absolutely in there as well. We are very excited to share, so ask your questions and we will see you next week for another episode.

Speaker 2: 33:31

We will speak to you all soon. Bye.